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Post by MarcMadill on Feb 4, 2008 3:39:20 GMT
Oh man what a game - the Giant were just brilliant, there D never let up until they were deep within the 4th Quarter, and then Eli just led the drive of his life to win it. Throughout the game my confidence in him was just growing and growing - he was calm, composed and, importantly, didn't self destruct as he does when under pressure. That pass he made for the Giants 1st TD was as perfect as it needed to be to get to the receiver - and how he managed to scramble outta that pocket when he seemed to be down, I'll never know. A lot of the talk tomorrow might be about Pats losing the one game that matters, but for Eli to pull his team from wildcard no-hopers to SuperBowl Champs - that speaks volumes. this definitely didn't seem like the same team who struggled beat Miami @ Wembley - and what about Lawrence Tynes becoming first Scottish player to win a SB, eh? fantastic hardlines Scotty, but nevermind, you've got the consolation of being the first team to go 18-1, that kinda record is something to be proud of ;D
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Post by Gordon13 on Feb 4, 2008 10:07:44 GMT
Aye Marc. Brilliant game, best I've seen in ages. Even pushed the rules to the limit!!!
Tough luck Scott but I guess by the end of the game all neutrals were rootin' for the Giants. We all were in oor hoose.
Already registered interest for Wembley.
Woohoo
Gordon
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Post by dave on Feb 4, 2008 10:14:38 GMT
Loved it..just loved it, even though it was wierd rooting for the Gnats it was a well deserved victory. The Gnats D put Shady Brady on his back and were in his face all night.....some points
1. How bad a loser was Belicheck running into the tunnel before the end 2. Tynes is not only the first Scottish player to win a SB, but also the first Brit (dont count crybaby McCready he was only on the PS) 3. 12 months ago the NY media were ready to run Eli and Coughlan out of town...what a difference a year makes 4. 18-1 is brilliant if the 1 isnt in the SB 5.Time for the challenge rule to be looked at, the NE challenge was ridiculous, yes in the letter of the law they had 12 men on the field but c'mon its not as if the guy was part of the play 6. Brady under pressure is not the same Brady that the media kiss ass to 7.I f Spagnola goes to DC then the NFC East is gonna be the toughest division in the NFL next year 8. BBC coverage was pretty damn good....the guests in the studio were much better than Sky 9. Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers were possibly THE GREATEST half time show EVER!!
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Post by dave on Feb 4, 2008 10:29:21 GMT
Loved it..just loved it, even though it was wierd rooting for the Gnats it was a well deserved victory. The Gnats D put Shady Brady on his back and were in his face all night.....some points 1. How bad a loser was Belicheck running into the tunnel before the end 2. Tynes is not only the first Scottish player to win a SB, but also the first Brit (dont count crybaby McCready he was only on the PS) 3. 12 months ago the NY media were ready to run Eli and Coughlan out of town...what a difference a year makes 4. 18-1 is brilliant if the 1 isnt in the SB 5.Time for the challenge rule to be looked at, the NE challenge was ridiculous, yes in the letter of the law they had 12 men on the field but c'mon its not as if the guy was part of the play 6. Brady under pressure is not the same Brady that the media kiss ass to 7.I f Spagnola goes to DC then the NFC East is gonna be the toughest division in the NFL next year 8. BBC coverage was pretty damn good....the guests in the studio were much better than Sky 9. Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers were possibly THE GREATEST half time show EVER!! 10. The play when Eli escaped a sure sack and zinged one for a first down to Tyree was possibly one of the best non Dallas Cowboys plays I have ever seen ;D 11. The giants are a better team without Cletis Shockey
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Post by theref on Feb 4, 2008 10:50:43 GMT
Firstly i am getting fed up with Belicheck when i seen him running up the tunnel before the end i put the tv off in disgust.If all this is true about filming stuff of the Rams i will really upset,I was so happy that the Patriots had won that superbowl.But now i dont feel my heart is in following the nfl just now.Its like when i seen the letter from Carluke ,i was prepared to officate because i liked the game so much but that left me after that letter arrived.I will feel the same way about the Patriots while Belicheck is there.Its time for him to go Robert Kraft must do this for the sake of the team no one person is more important than the team.
Well done to the Giants for playing a great game and hanging in there and winning at the end.Well done to Eli Manning for the way he played the game he came of age in that game as an nfl quarterback.Mabeye the great debate will now be who is the better Manning Eli or Peyton. Hope you were able to stay awake and watch it all Callum and enjoy your team superbowl win.
Finally just a few things i want to say to our Cowboy/Giants fan.What about all the ass kissing the media did to Troy Aikman when was winning superbowls.Finally i see your adopting the Giants as your playoff team,i can understanhd that seeing as it was 1996 was the last time that the Cowboys won a playoff game.
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Post by dave on Feb 4, 2008 11:36:08 GMT
Firstly..........the media never kissed Troys ass, he aint from the East coast........Bradshaw, Bayliss, Thiesman, Jaworski are all fully paid up members of the I love Tom brigade
Secondly.....yep, it was 1996, but neither Parcells nor Phillips (or even Gailey, Campo, Switzer, Johnson or Landry) would have did what Bellicheck did last night
Thirdly...Cowboys fan for almost 24 years .......wanting the Giants to win last night does not make me a fan, just as wanting the Pats to beat the Eagles a few yeras back doesnt make me a fan either. Anyway, Dallas lost in the playoffs to the Superbowl winners
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Post by theref on Feb 4, 2008 18:23:11 GMT
I did critcise Bellicheck for what he did i am callling for him to go becuase that was was disrespectful to Tom Coughlin and that puts the orginsation in a bad light.As for Troy Aikaman they did kiss up to him becuase he was the quarterback of America,s team.Its a fact of life it happens but it did happen.
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Post by MarcMadill on Feb 4, 2008 23:20:54 GMT
as for the Peyton/Eli debate - I think it's safe to say Peyton is still the better QB, despite Brady getting the season TD record, and everything, I'd still say Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL simply because he's proven it over a longer period - Brady will take over from him, but he's still a young QB, so the 'finished article' might be different (for example, could he play as well as he can in a sub-par cast around him or a shaky O-line)
anyway, I wouldn't put Eli on the list of my Top 10 established QBs (cos there's just so many 'proven' stars from the 2 above to Favre, Rothlisberger, and a fully fit McNabb). I would definitely have him in my Top QB prospects list (along with Romo, Vince Young, etc).
I would say, however, that Eli's Superbowl win is better than Peyton's last year - Peyton was the favourite, Eli was the no-hoper; Peyton had proven talent around him and years of QB knowledge, Eli had rookies and 'yes/no' players with no where near the experience Peyton had last year.
I'm not gonna 'big up' the guy, because he'll now have to prove he's not just a '1-season-wonder' - but he definitely shut up a few critics last night
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Post by Ian on Feb 5, 2008 10:37:08 GMT
Is Peyton Manning older than Brady? I thought they started in the NFL at about the same time, but I could be wrong. Scotty is being rather hard on Bad Bill. What had the Patriots achieved before he took over there as Head Coach? One question for the more observant of you, who was up the tunnel first - Bad Bill or Randy Moss?
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Post by theref on Feb 5, 2008 18:25:04 GMT
I dont think i am being to hard on Bill is look what he has cost the team ,if a player cost did something which cost the team a 1st round draft pick he would be out.I expect his resignation now the season is over because i expect the same standards to apply to coaches as welll as players.If he dosent Robert Kraft has a duty to fire him for the sake of the Patriots.
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Post by Shaun on Feb 5, 2008 22:13:14 GMT
Noticed as well that Brady & Moss are now skipping the Pro Bowl Replaced by Derek Anderson & T.J Houshmandzadeh.....At least Anderson gets what he deserves for his season......anyone shed some insight about y Brady & Moss have skipped??? Think Brady's is thru injury......moss ?!?!?!
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Post by MarcMadill on Feb 5, 2008 23:14:31 GMT
They're about the same age, P Manning is 31 and Brady's 30 However, Manning was drafted in 98, Brady in 2000 - Manning's had about 3 years more than Brady (Manning started in his rookie year, Brady in his 2nd). I rank Manning above Brady cos he's been better for longer - and unlike Brady I'm more certain that Peyton could play well in a below-average team. and despite Brady getting all the records this season, he's still 100 TDs and 15,000 Yards behind Manning - he'll probably get there as long as he's healthy, but Manning still has a good few seasons left (he could easily stay as long as Favre) so Brady will stay behind Manning until that happens. (wikipedia's great eh? )
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Post by MarcMadill on Feb 5, 2008 23:39:07 GMT
Noticed as well that Brady & Moss are now skipping the Pro Bowl Replaced by Derek Anderson & T.J Houshmandzadeh.....At least Anderson gets what he deserves for his season......anyone shed some insight about y Brady & Moss have skipped??? Think Brady's is thru injury......moss ?!?!?! Is Moss really the kind of guy who'll bother with a 'meaningless game' if he didn't get what he wanted? - he's like TO - only worse. TO's learned his lesson that he has to work hard to get his way - one thing TO could never be questioned for is his work ethic and determination to be the very best that he can be - TO will make that key block or work hard to get back after injury (the leg break recovery at Philly was incredible) - he's cocky, but he's got a reason to be. Moss, on the other hand, just isn't like that - there were times during that game when the camera was on Moss on the sidelines and Pats were trailing, he had that 'glazed over' look which gave me the impression he was too busy thinking 'why don't they give me more passes' rather than paying attention to the game or pumping up his O. Moss probably doesn't like it that Wes Welker gets so many passes because he's supposedly 'No 3', when Moss is the 'No 1' - he'll be too blinded by 'me-me-me' that he won't see the Welker is arguably the most dangerous WR in the NFL (when did Welker last play badly?) in short (after all that ) Moss simply isn't big enough to swallow his pride and play an 'end-of-season exhibition' if he can't show off the SB ring he wanted.
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Post by lilmiguel on Feb 6, 2008 18:55:44 GMT
One question for the more observant of you, who was up the tunnel first - Bad Bill or Randy Moss? Moss stayed out until the game was completely over, Bill was up the tunnel faster than a chipmunk on a**d. I suppose you could see it that Belichick was being gracious and admitting defeat, but in the end it kinda deteriorated it into a bit of a farce. I was actually surprised they managed to get all the players back onto the field (and the photographers, coaches, etc) off again to finish the game. It wouldn't have been the first time that seconds were still left on the clock at the end of a Superbowl, over in New Orleans the Rams are still waiting to receive a kick-off with 3 seconds left on the clock. As for the game itself, what a game!! I was only gonna stay up and watch until halftime, but was so gripped that I stayed up until the end. That has to be one of, if not THE, best Superbowl I've ever seen. Manning's pass to Tyree has to be one of the greatest Superbowl plays ever too, I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor. As for the Belichick debate, I think it's a bit harsh to demand that he resigns right away. Until Superbowl week most people had already forgotten about spygate and the truth is it probably didn't have a huge impact on this season. However, if instances such as the alledged taping of the Rams are proven to be true then it becomes a different matter and I could understand people calling for him to go then, but right now it would seem a bit harsh. Also, if the Pats had won the Superbowl would anyone be asking for him to resign? I think the fact that Pats fans are unhappy that they didn't win could have a bit to do with all this. I'm not saying that they're blaming him for not winning, but obviously they're upset about losing and at his actions at the end of the game won't have helped matters either. Finally, as for the Peyton - Tom debate, I personally think Peyton is by far the better quarterback. That's not any knock to Brady, and I'd probably say he's marginally better in a two-minute drill, but Manning's intelligence and the way he runs the offense, calls plays at the line and his added experience are why I'd say he's the best QB in the NFL at the moment. Mike
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